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Aug 12 14 5:44 PM
Another picture was posted on Twitter today by Kirk McCoy. He took it and the photos posted above when Joel did the live interview with the LA Times.
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Aug 22 14 12:32 PM
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6/16/14 This is an 8 minute radio interview with Steve (I think, I need Sabermom or Dane!)
Steve Kinnaman in front of his house on Södermalm in Stockholm. Photo: Lena Bejerot/SR
This week released the US soldier Bowe Bergdahl free after five years as a prisoner in Afghanistan. Soldiers who served at the same time, claims that he deserted and it was so he ended up with the Taliban. But vy is the issue of deserters so loaded? American Steve Kinnaman would in the 1960s to make his military service, based in Thailand. But his increasing scepticism about the United States's war in Viet Nam was doing that he finally felt that situation became untenable. He escaped and went to the final in Sweden. Reportage by Lena Bejerot.
6/16/14 Dane wrote:
As ohva wrote, the interview is conducted in the light of the attention that has been around the Bowe Bergdahl case, so a general talk/discussion on the topic of desertion:
SK: I was a an ordinary soldier, and when I joined the army I really didn't’t have an opinion on the Vietnam War. It wasn’t until I came to Thailand that I started having doubts.
Speaker: Steve Kinnaman welcomes us in the garden at his house on Södermalm in Stockholm. And the contrast is big when he talks about the day 47 years ago that changed his life. Steve Kinnaman was to do his military service placed in Thailand. But he became increasingly critical, and started questioning the US involvement in Vietnam, and that led to serious consequences.
SK: I had a friend who worked at the administration who told me that my service had been changed to green solider and that I was being shipped to Vietnam. And he said ”you’ll get these orders on Monday”. So I spend all of Friday and Saturday thinking about what I should do, and then Sunday night I went to the town, packed a little bag, and hitchhiked to Laos. This was very dramatic, to even think about deserting is something that is unacceptable. It just doesn’t happen, you don’t do that. But I made the decision to do it, and that I had to disappear, which I did.
Speaker: Steve Kinnaman now thought that he would never see his family again, and that he would have to hide in Laos forever from the American army that was searching for him. For 4 and a half year he got by in Laos, working various jobs, before he learned that Sweden took in American deserters.
Speaker: Sweden’s long and peaceful history has probably affected how we look on deserting as a little less serious says Lars Eriksson, professor at the …. in Stockholm (not sure but think she’s saying some kind of defence academy????). But in many other parts of the world deserting is seen as a disgraceful.
Lars Eriksson: The conception is often that you are a traitor. That can be seen as a traitor towards your country, government, perhaps your religion, or simply as a traitor to your fellow soldiers.
Speaker: Deserting is a crime that is equated with treason, and the punishment has often been the death penalty. Even though deserting has been a reality as long as war, it is only in the past hundred years that it has been looked upon so seriously says Lars Eriksson
LE: With the rise of nationalism, from the early 1800’s and forward, that was when deserting became more serious, that was when you swore to serve the ruler, say a king or a duke, and you did not go back on that. But now you don’t just fight for the ruler, you fight for the entire country and it’s population.
Speaker: but why is the punishment so severe?
LE: Deserting can encourage others to do the same, this means a collapse of the entire structure/system, and therefore it most be stopped immediately, that is the main reason.
Speaker: Lately, many have deserted from the Syrian army, and have joined the opposition, the same is the case in Iraq. In those cases, of course, the soldiers continue to fight. But throughout history there have been cases where political systems have collapsed and mass-deserting have taken place.
LE: among others before the Russian revolution, where the soldiers simply went home towards the end, and in France during WW1. The soldiers where tired, they didn't see the point and they gave up.
Speaker: When Steve Kinnaman deserted in Thailand he was one of very few. Most fled to Canada as soon as they were drafted or when they were home on leave, or they would flee from the American bases in Germany on the way to Vietnam.
SK: When I deserted I felt that it was important to take a stand against the war, and I only saw the demoralising effect that it may have caused as a positive thing.
Speaker: During the Vietnam war there where many who deserted, we don’t see that in Afghanistan and Iraq today. What do you think is the reason for that?
SK: They aren’t drafted. That was the last thing that Nixon did as President, he abolished conscription. And it is of course totally different when you have voluntarily joined the army. That is the main reason.
Then, Lars Eriksson agrees on this and also stresses that there are no surrounding countries that it would be safe to flee to from Afganistan and Iraq.
Speaker: After 11 years Steve Kinnaman could return to the US, when President Jimmy Carter introduced an amnesty program for the for the approx. 50.000 Vietnam deserters. In the US he was met with both criticism and understanding, but it had not been easy for his parents.
SK: For 5 years they thought that I was dead, so I think that they were just grateful that I wasn’t. I got support for standing up for what I believed in, but not for what I’d put them through, and that I regret, that I didn’t let them know.
Speaker: Do you regret that you did it, deserted the army?
SK: No, absolutely not. I've only become more convinced that I did the right thing.
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